Warrior vs wizard

[DarkStyle]

Been meaning to make this post for ages.
It’s wrong that a wizard can stack so much pdr and face tank a dc2000 warrior. Not only can they completely absorb 90% of my damage but they still 3 hit me with the call of phoenix spell. I can stand next to nerd and unload all my single target spells and he stands there laughing. I barely touch he’s health.
I’ve seen gms say we should use our mass attack spells that the gnome pdr??? Well it don’t work. Frost frenzy and fire frenzy also do such little damage it’s pointless. At wars I feel like the squishy wizard that gets 3 shotted and the wizzys are running around like warriors.

Warriors are single target dps classes. We should be able to smash a wiz to pueces if were able to get close. Wizards here just stand still and tank everything. We NEED to be able to attack and hurt wiz with single target spells.

Here’s a few suggestions that would resolve it.
-fix battle charge so you don’t swing backward when shift locked. (Don’t tell me this is lag from my pc because it ONLY happens when ur shift locked to a player. If u shift past the player you don’t swing backwards)
-make pro field give either amc 30-60 or some extra MDR.
- make ignore target defence actually ignore PDR
-make tdb work as intended and cut thru wizard shield.
-cap PDR to 60% on all classes.

Would appreciate everyone’s opinions on this please.

 

[zad48231]

Nerd is a lot tankier than me and I have PDR at cap. The reason is because he also has high element defences which help against your other skills that cut through PDR. It's massively expensive to make a kit like that (I know what I've spent, and he's clearly spent more). But even then, I would dispute that while wearing solid defence kit like that any wiz could 3 hit you, that's just not the case. If I hit you with COP with 2k MC maybe I'll 3 hit you, but with my PDR kit I'll be doing 1k damage on a good day.

 

[killa_nite]

The same could be said about making a pure offensive kit. At some point it should balance. I have 85% pdr on wiz with 5k hp and laugh at warriors. Do 2k cops with 800mc .

My major gripe is slow vs warriors. No other class is neutered as much as war when it comes to slow. I fight regularly as it's what I enjoy. There's nothing fun about a wiz throwing down fb+fg and waking around spamming gs.

 

[JnavI]

This has been debated in the past bro read https://thelegendofmir.com/forum/threads/45648-Arcadia-PVP
No shit was given

 

[bigste5]

Limit wars dc to 1000 because I'm sick of getting 2 hit on my tao, make sd and bc same cool down and longer so warriors haven't got God mode escape

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Also id like to see any wizard beat chong in a pvp, he's a warrior? Just has the brains to kit right unlike you dc idiots

 

[zad48231]

Just make rev rings not work in pvp. That would spice shit up very quickly lol

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Or actually just delete all special rings. No rev, para, pro, tele. Make for work for a change

 

[DarkStyle]

Limit wars dc to 1000 because I'm sick of getting 2 hit on my tao, make sd and bc same cool down and longer so warriors haven't got God mode escape

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Also id like to see any wizard beat chong in a pvp, he's a warrior? Just has the brains to kit right unlike you dc idiots

Battle charge and shoulder dash do share cool down.

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I could have 3000 dc, in that pdr 85% kits it’s useless. No class should be able to get a 85% damage reduction vs another classes main attack spells

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If there was a way to mitigate the pdr, I would work on it. But there isn’t.

 

[killa_nite]

Limit wars dc to 1000 because I'm sick of getting 2 hit on my tao, make sd and bc same cool down and longer so warriors haven't got God mode escape

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Also id like to see any wizard beat chong in a pvp, he's a warrior? Just has the brains to kit right unlike you dc idiots

Chong never really fights alone. He was about to quit because his guild couldn't streamroll guilds anymore. Now he's apart of the time tunnel 2.0

 

[zad48231]

If there was a way to mitigate the pdr, I would work on it. But there isn’t.

There is, and you've demonstrated it against me. It's a combination of PDR and massive element resistances that make a wiz hard to kill. And to get that you need to spend an absolute fortune, and if you want to get that AND be able to hit back, you need to spend another absolute fortune. If someone's done that, they deserve to be hard to kill.

 

[DarkStyle]

There is, and you've demonstrated it against me. It's a combination of PDR and massive element resistances that make a wiz hard to kill. And to get that you need to spend an absolute fortune, and if you want to get that AND be able to hit back, you need to spend another absolute fortune. If someone's done that, they deserve to be hard to kill.

My kits are peaked offensively. They cost I’m sure a hell lot more than a pdr kit. Cost is not the important thing here. Wizards shouldn’t be able to deflect 85% of a warriors damage.

 

[deanouk23]

1500/1600 mc 70% fire res 60/70 fire damage, and 77ish pdr my usual war load out and 8k hp.

I mean what's there to moan about? I can't kill a warrior unless they afk? Soon as I'm sliced or green poisoned I'm fucked for the best part of a minute.. You get 3 hit reved which takes 12 seconds and I'm stuck standing still so 1 para lands its fight over. You can nearly 1 hit most taos/war. And it's wiz that's the problem, when really in every fight you dive in like a hero and end up getting revived.

Chong has no problem staying alive vs a wiz. I mean 50% fire res and 600% hpr, after every shoulder dash you regen the damage from 1 cop...

 

[2dark_2teh1]

1500/1600 mc 70% fire res 60/70 fire damage, and 77ish pdr my usual war load out and 8k hp.

I mean what's there to moan about? I can't kill a warrior unless they afk? Soon as I'm sliced or green poisoned I'm fucked for the best part of a minute.. You get 3 hit reved which takes 12 seconds and I'm stuck standing still so 1 para lands its fight over. You can nearly 1 hit most taos/war. And it's wiz that's the problem, when really in every fight you dive in like a hero and end up getting revived.

Chong has no problem staying alive vs a wiz. I mean 50% fire res and 600% hpr, after every shoulder dash you regen the damage from 1 cop...

Ha that regeneration armour is broken

 

[deanouk23]

My kits are peaked offensively. They cost I’m sure a hell lot more than a pdr kit. Cost is not the important thing here. Wizards shouldn’t be able to deflect 85% of a warriors damage.

Stop building full dc and try building a kit to survive, I mean you just said I 3 hit cop rev you which isn't true, however let's say your right. That is 1 spell. So let's say instead of having a huge penis and having 2k dc to wave around, you used your brain and built a kit with 90% fire res. Cop becomes useless a 2k cop does 200 damage instead. Then what? Your a tank I'm a tank....I can do as much damage as you can do to me in full pdr....

Because you pick full dc over any sort of defense doesn't mean anything is wrong other than the way you choose to play.

People pick to build full damage then complain about full defence kit. Yet you can potentially roll 10% dd 10% fire res and over 3% pa/mdr on every item. In order to become tanky you don't even need to lose too much offensive stats lol...

You think wiz had the upper hand when base hp is about 2k-2.5k hp and both slice and green poison are doing 500 a tick. Within seconds your HP is nothing. But ye all because you can't 1 hit a wiz there's a big problem. When in reality a wiz has 0 chance to kill any warrior.

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While we making complaints can you fix fire guard to not ignore inferno, not sure if intentional but it renders most wizzies pretty useless.

 

[Alsiral]

Imo change HP runes to a % increase on base hp

 

[shadow]

u should work on your ignore target defence more.. its a bit underrated but i think because it works on all sort of defences.. it is pretty powerful.. so 1% ignore target defence will cancel the other persons 1% ac,amc,magic defence and physical defence.. which i think is a good bargain

 

[killa_nite]

u should work on your ignore target defence more.. its a bit underrated but i think because it works on all sort of defences.. it is pretty powerful.. so 1% ignore target defence will cancel the other persons 1% ac,amc,magic defence and physical defence.. which i think is a good bargain

Doesn't work on pdr though. I've tested it with 25% ignore.

 

[DarkStyle]

1500/1600 mc 70% fire res 60/70 fire damage, and 77ish pdr my usual war load out and 8k hp.

I mean what's there to moan about? I can't kill a warrior unless they afk? Soon as I'm sliced or green poisoned I'm fucked for the best part of a minute.. You get 3 hit reved which takes 12 seconds and I'm stuck standing still so 1 para lands its fight over. You can nearly 1 hit most taos/war. And it's wiz that's the problem, when really in every fight you dive in like a hero and end up getting revived.

Chong has no problem staying alive vs a wiz. I mean 50% fire res and 600% hpr, after every shoulder dash you regen the damage from 1 cop...

So it is purely the PDR which makes you so strong vs my tdb. You don’t have massive dark resistance and I use tdb.

 

[Alsiral]

So it is purely the PDR which makes you so strong vs my tdb. You don’t have massive dark resistance and I use tdb.

It’s a couple of hp runes that make them op! Even with the high pdr the extra hp runes adds a disproportionate amount of hp to wizzies making them silly op

 

[deanouk23]

So it is purely the PDR which makes you so strong vs my tdb. You don’t have massive dark resistance and I use tdb.

Pdr and health, until recently was around 20% dd res. But I re-did armour.

But besides the point, build fire res and hp. When your at 50% fire res and a tao buff puts you to 75% and my only damage spell, cop! Does 500 damage to 15k+ health... Then what?

Your under the illusion that just because your a warrior you should some how be the tanky dps class? Delivering high damage while being unkillable?

When in reality you could quite easily stack a little res and health and be able to last longer in a battle and actually deliver more damage than you are currently able to.

But you keep stacking dc and dd and moaning on the forum's that you feel squishy. BUILD HP AND FIRE RES! Don't be squishy anymore.....

 

[Aro]

Pdr and health, until recently was around 20% dd res. But I re-did armour.

But besides the point, build fire res and hp. When your at 50% fire res and a tao buff puts you to 75% and my only damage spell, cop! Does 500 damage to 15k+ health... Then what?

Your under the illusion that just because your a warrior you should some how be the tanky dps class? Delivering high damage while being unkillable?

When in reality you could quite easily stack a little res and health and be able to last longer in a battle and actually deliver more damage than you are currently able to.

But you keep stacking dc and dd and moaning on the forum's that you feel squishy. BUILD HP AND FIRE RES! Don't be squishy anymore.....

I had a skirmish a while ago Aro & Ella vs Via, no matter what we threw at Via 2 vs 1 his HP Regan regained faster than our combined attacks could damage & we were very competent pvp, and yet it only took one minor error from me for Via to get a kill, whereas if for example Aro was fighting Darkstyle or Alsiral and ds or Al lagged out mid fight, they will disconnect before Aro can get the kill.

I would second what Nerd is saying, try building a different kit instead of trying to nerf an entire class because one or two clever players have worked out a way to get the best out of they char by building an incredibly expensive kit.