6500gg, man I wish I could kit my tao for that. I've spent more than that on tao runes since I got back from holiday and I'm barely half done
SORT THIS SHIT OUT, FOR FUCKS SAKE
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Tao runes doubled in price since Ely update bud. I was lucky enough to gear most my stuff before hand.
But even still, you don't need sc upgrades to survive on a tao, it helps but not required. Sadly you need hp to survive without pets on a wiz. Sad but true fact.
I know a 180 Tao who solos big bird all day long and none of his kit is upgraded.
Show me a wiz with no pets and no upgraded cele kit that can do that lol
This is where you start to lose credibility.. See just because a Tao can solo a boss does NOT mean that a wiz of the same level should be able to do it. It’s never been the case and should never be the case.
Tao have a lot in their arsenal, poison being the most effective in this particular case, but killing a boss relies heavily on being able to maintain a safe distance for the duration of the encounter and then having enough resources available to use their skills.
Wiz are good at other things, but if a wiz could trap a boss behind a wall then they’d solo it, and that the only way they ever really could.. most wiz in that case would find a Tao to join them who would errr.. you guessed it! Poison it to speed up the process
Happy to educate where I can! Wiz pets should not survive long periods of being logged offline, it is the main issue in all of this drama as I said elsewhere because people just store them on inactive chars they’ve acquired or alts they’ve levelled. No changes required to wiz class just adapt to the difficulty of the cave you are hunting in.
Wizzies would easily be able to solo the same boss if it had pets to tank said boss like taos have pets to tank the same boss bud.
Walling bosses isn't always a possibility and gimmicks and tricks like the such shouldn't be a requirement for the class to be competitive to another class.
I fully understand there are some bosses one class can kill easily while other classes struggle, naga lord for example, but I used big bird as an example because it's a fast melee type boss woth no ranged attacks. You "should" be able to kite that boss and range it down but it's fast to outrun and even hitting it can be difficult unless you use lock on spells.
The problem at hand is that, back on Dragon and Phoenix servers, useful pets were readily available and weren't several floors deep in what are considered "team" type dungeons.
Not the case on this server. You cant just go to bug cave, pick up 5 tongs and expect them to survive against 195 mobs. It's not feasible.
As I've said before and will say again.
There is a very large gap of missing pets for the level ranges of 185 to 195.
We've established that the only viable pets that survive planes and st are rdd/bdp pets, and that is where the problem is.
There needs to be more viable tanks. Damage is irrelevant.
As for the other requirement for wizzies is HP runes. You simply cannot solo push in planes or st without tank pets, or crap tons of HP runes.
Both difficult to aquire and why you see a graveyard of wizzies in the same level range on the ranking chart.
And I would also like to add, the main point I was making was, neither tao, nor warrior, has such requirements to be able to level in those places.
Walling bosses isn't always a possibility and gimmicks and tricks like the such shouldn't be a requirement for the class to be competitive to another class.
I fully understand there are some bosses one class can kill easily while other classes struggle, naga lord for example, but I used big bird as an example because it's a fast melee type boss woth no ranged attacks. You "should" be able to kite that boss and range it down but it's fast to outrun and even hitting it can be difficult unless you use lock on spells.
The problem at hand is that, back on Dragon and Phoenix servers, useful pets were readily available and weren't several floors deep in what are considered "team" type dungeons.
Not the case on this server. You cant just go to bug cave, pick up 5 tongs and expect them to survive against 195 mobs. It's not feasible.
As I've said before and will say again.
There is a very large gap of missing pets for the level ranges of 185 to 195.
We've established that the only viable pets that survive planes and st are rdd/bdp pets, and that is where the problem is.
There needs to be more viable tanks. Damage is irrelevant.
As for the other requirement for wizzies is HP runes. You simply cannot solo push in planes or st without tank pets, or crap tons of HP runes.
Both difficult to aquire and why you see a graveyard of wizzies in the same level range on the ranking chart.
And I would also like to add, the main point I was making was, neither tao, nor warrior, has such requirements to be able to level in those places.
This isn’t dragon or phoenix though buddy you need to let it go, those servers went up to level 46 then went bust and had very limited gear and skills available to the people that played it. It’s a non starter to even try compare that with Scorpians two decades of development.
From my experience, on Scorpians servers, bringing a wiz pets to a boss was like taking a lamb to a slaughter house, they’d help with some damage but you’d be laughing if even one survived, begging a Tao to heal them. Wiz pets are not supposed to be killing bosses and should some exist that can, I would want them to be deep into a group cave!
From my experience, on Scorpians servers, bringing a wiz pets to a boss was like taking a lamb to a slaughter house, they’d help with some damage but you’d be laughing if even one survived, begging a Tao to heal them. Wiz pets are not supposed to be killing bosses and should some exist that can, I would want them to be deep into a group cave!
I agree wizzy pets aren't supposed to be used to kill bosses. Wizzies don't need help doing damage in any way shape or form.
The only solution for the class to be competitive against other classes is pets that have high ac/mac and health, or have high health themselves.
Both are difficult to obtain, which is why so many wizzies drop off at 180 to 189 and move to tao or warrior. I've pointed this out in the ranking before.
In heros league, the last time I looked.
23warriors, 15 taos, 15 wizzies. This was a few days ago.
Flip thru the ranking pages. It's a graveyard of wizzies that have quit playing for other classes or all together. Generally for the same reason.
No other class has either of these problems.
The only solution for the class to be competitive against other classes is pets that have high ac/mac and health, or have high health themselves.
Both are difficult to obtain, which is why so many wizzies drop off at 180 to 189 and move to tao or warrior. I've pointed this out in the ranking before.
In heros league, the last time I looked.
23warriors, 15 taos, 15 wizzies. This was a few days ago.
Flip thru the ranking pages. It's a graveyard of wizzies that have quit playing for other classes or all together. Generally for the same reason.
No other class has either of these problems.
Warriors have always been popular and people are probably loving all the things Tao have been improved with recently. Most wiz have swapped for a Tao because they see it as a similar style class and Tao can have 5 pets too with less effort. Tao pets can be TU’d too so you know that is annoying when a wiz would randomly TU my level 7 pet.
Most people cba with wiz cause they get hung on those pets and then feel like they are baby sitting them all day, if they disappeared on on log off it would remove that whole mentality lol. The wiz who aren’t worried about them, have got the ability to keep them stored on a separate character
Most people cba with wiz cause they get hung on those pets and then feel like they are baby sitting them all day, if they disappeared on on log off it would remove that whole mentality lol. The wiz who aren’t worried about them, have got the ability to keep them stored on a separate character
Tbh I wouldn't mind if pets disappeared on logout, nor would I care if you couldn't retame them and they only last 3 hours, if they were more easily obtainable.
But requiring a team of people to get the only viable pets to level with is kind of silly.
Why should I inconvenience my entire guild with helping me get pets. It's silly.
As for tao? Just recast and go to old stone tomb for 10 minutes. It doesn't take 3 hours to get pets lmao
But requiring a team of people to get the only viable pets to level with is kind of silly.
Why should I inconvenience my entire guild with helping me get pets. It's silly.
As for tao? Just recast and go to old stone tomb for 10 minutes. It doesn't take 3 hours to get pets lmao
If anything, some of the arguments being made are making me disagree with some of the things I've even said myself
All classes have their own challenges, strengths and weaknesses. Experiment with kit, there's so many variables. If what you're doing doesn't work, try something else
It was only about 4 years ago that wiz started using HP runes then they got valuable. People left them on the floor before that
Similar story with PDR and other stats
There are many underutilised and under appreciated options, not just for wiz but for all classes
It's an adventure game, go explore and try new ideas!
All classes have their own challenges, strengths and weaknesses. Experiment with kit, there's so many variables. If what you're doing doesn't work, try something else
It was only about 4 years ago that wiz started using HP runes then they got valuable. People left them on the floor before that
Similar story with PDR and other stats
There are many underutilised and under appreciated options, not just for wiz but for all classes
It's an adventure game, go explore and try new ideas!
Mustafa13
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This is exactly what I've been trying to say. Couldn't have worded it better, thanks. Hopefully people read this and understand now it's very clear.
Hiren
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Not going to lie, the OP needs to walk away from this server, it has gotten too personal for him / her. Just step away from game for a bit.
Nothing is going to get changed any quicker. No offence to Andy but the castle changes recently - they have been going on for years. He has other stuff he is working plus + his own IRL stuff.
Nothing is going to get changed any quicker. No offence to Andy but the castle changes recently - they have been going on for years. He has other stuff he is working plus + his own IRL stuff.
My stance here really hasn't changed. I don't personally desire to turn Wizards into a shepherd class.
The problems with pets started with QOL updates to eshock. When they were a fixed 2-hour tame and die on log out there was not an issue. The skill has suffocated the Wizard class.
Any solution needs to be proper, thorough, fair on all classes and done sensitively as players rely on current mechanisms for their hard earned builds
The problems with pets started with QOL updates to eshock. When they were a fixed 2-hour tame and die on log out there was not an issue. The skill has suffocated the Wizard class.
Any solution needs to be proper, thorough, fair on all classes and done sensitively as players rely on current mechanisms for their hard earned builds
Make pets die on log out problem solved coming from.a wizz
I think if it can be made where they survive 15mins from a genuine disconnection issue then that’s worth putting in, E Shock used to take literally ages but then the side effect of shortening that is it takes somebody a nano second to wreck another’s hunt. It’s all fine balance that I’m sure Scorpian & Warda will be weighing up.
vexus
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just give wizz more demgs on booses like war tao can kill solo with yimm or tiger i mean demg on pve for solo hunts it will be solved so wizz no need.pets anymore just give them more power on booses or mobs thats all and problem will be solved for them wizz need pets for lvl and hunting
brandon77
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Imo people have become a little to reliant on wanting to / being able to solo anything and everything in the game and these pets have played a massive part in that since their introduction, there's a reason mir was called 3 heros and is an online "mmo" game because it requires teamwork each class compliments the other in some way shape or form. any class being able to run around and solo every piece of content in the game shows that it is not only broken but has taken from the spirit and overall idea of the game entirely might as well just go play a single player game if you want to solo everything with an army of pets lol
GoldieDragon
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Yes I do mate, I use it from time to time and I have BDP pets on it stored for when someone needs them. Now I know I can sell them for GG I’ll lower my price again…200gg
