Socket extraction tool. Goodbye everyone.

[zad48231]

Look I get that this tool is limited time. Good it should be. But give those the option to remove the upgrades and if they still do it after the tool is gone so be it, but at least give them the option to reuse items they grinded for and bought.

The tool needs to be for all level gear. It's that simple.

With all due respect bud, when Jaguar Neckys and lvl 130 rings were the top items, lots of ppl spent big on them, then when next level stuff came out they were all worthless overnight. This cycle has happened so many times and will happen again. Just how it is, we've all lost a lot over the years but accept it as part of the growth of the game. Nothing is permanent.

 

[CSpaceCowboy]

I have heard (so this might be bs) that a few players have brought a load of low level, runed items for a song with a view to making a killing by using a rune removal tool (that they now can't).

I would assume this is the same kind of player as those you state have rigged the rune market.

I still see the problem as being the absolutely dire drop rates of runes. My own personal view is I look to upgrade kit I am about to get, not what I already have. I haven't been able to do this in a long time due to the crap drop rates. Stagnation = boredom in my book.

Scorp states he has increased drop rates on runes. We will see. Like you, I absolutely refuse to spend £100's on runes. I do hope this gets sorted.

The rune crystal market has been dead since Easter due to price fixing. Controlled by runestores, mamaomida, upgrades, etc...

Those that sucked up low level gear and had the currency to do so I don't care about one bit. They'll continue to stagnate the dead market and ruin it.

Those I care about are the ones that WILL reuse those items, reuse them on new kit, etc.. they are being screwed here. They are being told their time and effort and support of this server was for nothing. It's a damn shame.

 

[Frankleemad]

Higher level gear inherently has better stats bud. So being able to re use upgrades on that higher tier of gear is what were talking about here.

Discounting those that upgraded their cele kit and Holy crystal kit and catering to only those that have Ely or above is the wrong decision.

It's spitting in the face of anyone whose grinded and upgraded by using their time, effort, and gg to get ahead.

so? your moaning coz people have better kits than you and now they will still have better kits than you? correct?

 

[CSpaceCowboy]

With all due respect bud, when Jaguar Neckys and lvl 130 rings were the top items, lots of ppl spent big on them, then when next level stuff came out they were all worthless overnight. This cycle has happened so many times and will happen again. Just how it is, we've all lost a lot over the years but accept it as part of the growth of the game. Nothing is permanent.

Then don't put in the tool at all. Let those in ELY have to start over. Because that's what you're telling all those in cele and hc gear.

What's good for me not for thee.

That's all horse shit. People in ELY get the ability to reuse kit, but screw the rest that has put their time effort and gg into the game?

 

[dote]

Then don't put in the tool at all. Let those in ELY have to start over. Because that's what you're telling all those in cele and hc gear.

What's good for me not for thee.

That's all horse shit. People in ELY get the ability to reuse kit, but screw the rest that has put their time effort and gg into the game?

Put it like that I start to see where you are coming from.

Maybe a word from Scorp regarding why he has gone this way would help?

Can't agree with your comment regarding those that "price fix" as I would hope scorp has his eye on what's good for the server, not an individual.

I would just also like to add that its a shame this row over runes is diverting attention away from a much needed content upgrade.

 

[CSpaceCowboy]

Put it like that I start to see where you are coming from.

Maybe a word from Scorp regarding why he has gone this way would help?

Can't agree with your comment regarding those that "price fix" as I would hope scorp has his eye on what's good for the server, not an individual.

I would just also like to add that its a shame this row over runes is diverting attention away from a much needed content upgrade.

The content I wont benefit from one bit, for a long while. Don't care, I understand it was needed and good for those that will enjoy it.

This socket extraction tool only for Ely and above? Thats me leaving permanently, and I won't be alone.

As for the price fixing thing, it's simple economics and why I'm so pissed over it. Those that price fixed all the upgrades and runes means those that have been upgrading cele and hc kit that refuse to pay those prices have grinded that kit, and now they're being told to fk off unless you're in Ely or above.

Show of hands, who in this thread has kit over 180? I bet I'm the only one in cele gear that's half upgraded and was grinding more...

Well not anymore I guess.

 

[dote]

Yeah, I think you misunderstood me bud. You said;

"Those that sucked up low level gear and had the currency to do so I don't care about one bit. They'll continue to stagnate the dead market and ruin it".

I said I couldn't agree with you. I DO care. I want Scorp to sort it. I am hoping that the new content will do this.

I am still not sure why we need a rune removal tool rather than a decent increase in rune drops.

The former only benefits those that have the items in the first place (allbeit only 180+) the latter benefits everyone.

 

[vexus]

Before ice drake we had drake neky for long time and people were very excited with release of icedrake and now same thing happening GM releasing new kit.

So anyone's who has supported this server buying GG to upgrade gear and GG items is getting screwed but those above 180 who get to "respec" their gear for the new items you're releasing.

Game isn't pay to win? we'll show me one person over 170 that isn't using ice drakes, revivals or para rings from the GG shop.

This is an appeasement to those that control the market and will ruin this game for anyone not already in Ely or above kit.

To the 4 people that own the rune/ crystal market, ya won. I'm out.

-edit- if people knew this was going to be a thing no one would have upgraded their kit under 180, noone would have bought ice drakes, etc...

You just made everyone waste a lot of GG on nothing and these items just lost tremendous value over night.

 

[CSpaceCowboy]

Yeah, I think you misunderstood me bud. You said;

"Those that sucked up low level gear and had the currency to do so I don't care about one bit. They'll continue to stagnate the dead market and ruin it".

I said I couldn't agree with you. I DO care. I want Scorp to sort it. I am hoping that the new content will do this.

I am still not sure why we need a rune removal tool rather than a decent increase in rune drops.

The former only benefits those that have the items in the first place (allbeit only 180+) the latter benefits everyone.

Nah, I understood what ya meant and you at least understood what I meant by this tool being Ely only screws the rest of the players.

I also have been saying drops need to be addressed but sadly I think it would only affect those new maps and only benefit those over 190 leaving everyone else behind.

Either way I spoke my peace, passed our guild discord ownership over to the other leader and will say my goodbyes.

To those that helped me on my journey it's been a pleasure and an honor.

 

[zad48231]

I'm still not really understanding the complaint here

Are you saying you want to spend gg to remove sockets from low level gear so you can combine them and put slightly better sockets into the same gear?

To me, even if it was possible at every level, it would only be worthwhile to do that for elysian stuff, it's going to be an extremely pricey process

The reason for the restriction is because if it worked on lower level kit, people would just buy all that kit up to rip the runes out of them and discard the items, which would make it even harder for never players because there would be zero runed kit on the market for them to buy

The only people who will use the rune removal is people at the very top who have maxed out elysian stuff and want to upgrade the runes they have already placed

 

[Cableguy]

The drop rate is jacked up for runes and the bosses that drop them are sat on by higher levels over 180 already to sell them at a higher price. I get using the tool to offer them to remove runes to reupgrade gear but make it for all. What’s going to happen is the 180 player will only get even strong then the already are to pk lower levels grinding to get there with crap gear unless paying high GG prices to the PKers that just killed them. Either make it fair for all level or just don’t put the tool in the game. I’m getting close and still in HC gear trying to grind for runes for my cele gear thats if this tool comes out it’s useless because if I buy ely gear it will still be at a crazy price and now also stripped of all that it was upgraded with this tool from high levels.

 

[zad48231]

The drop rate is jacked up for runes and the bosses that drop them are sat on by higher levels over 180 already to sell them at a higher price. I get using the tool to offer them to remove runes to reupgrade gear but make it for all. What’s going to happen is the 180 player will only get even strong then the already are to pk lower levels grinding to get there with crap gear unless paying high GG prices to the PKers that just killed them. Either make it fair for all level or just don’t put the tool in the game. I’m getting close and still in HC gear trying to grind for runes for my cele gear thats if this tool comes out it’s useless because if I buy ely gear it will still be at a crazy price and now also stripped of all that it was upgraded with this tool from high levels.

If a higher level is pking you for a boss it won't make any difference if they are in current Ely gear or if they have upgraded runes

 

[Cableguy]

If it was made for all level to do this two things should happen. One a lot of GG will be sold to buy this tool so EVERYONE can reuse the runes they have already grinded for regardless if someone thinks it’s stupid or not to pay for it and Two lower levels will get holy crystal or cele gear with no runes on them just like everyone who will be buying elys gear will have nothing on them now but those item will be at a lower price. It would still make everyone happy but for the people who PK to farm the runes to run the market. Make this game for the people who are playing it paying YOU for the GG and not the people trying to corner the market on items.

 

[CSpaceCowboy]

I'm still not really understanding the complaint here

Are you saying you want to spend gg to remove sockets from low level gear so you can combine them and put slightly better sockets into the same gear?

To me, even if it was possible at every level, it would only be worthwhile to do that for elysian stuff, it's going to be an extremely pricey process

The reason for the restriction is because if it worked on lower level kit, people would just buy all that kit up to rip the runes out of them and discard the items, which would make it even harder for never players because there would be zero runed kit on the market for them to buy

The only people who will use the rune removal is people at the very top who have maxed out elysian stuff and want to upgrade the runes they have already placed

So what your saying is, it's ok to remove off Ely kit so you can sell base stuff screwing mid tier people, but its not ok for mid tier people to do the same thing to new players.

Again. Good for me not for thee crap again.

I grinded my socket items just like yall and now I can't remove them to reuse on higher gear, but yall can.

That's the problem.

And using market manipulation as an excuse to not do it on lower gear is asinine. Because they are still going to price fix, all while high levels suck up what little upgrades are already on the market leaving those under ELY gear with fk all.

This is trying to do trickle down economics but here's the thing. Those under ELY are the ones getting fucked.

 

[iknowiknow]

So Im nit here to moan. I think the updates over the years been great. However i diddnt understand this knew update until it was explained to me. Its great the game is being further updated. Very thankfull. However I have spent hundreds of pounds buying gg updating my kit etc. It would be nice for the lower lvls to get use out of the extraction tool also. Otherwise all this money spent is kind of for nothing. It reminds me of the Easter event all over again. But that got sorted. So surely something could get sorted for kit below 180? I totally appreciate myself buying 1500 gg every 3 months isn't really worth much. But It does add up man. Would love to be able to extract some stuff from my HC kit to help along with my cele stuff

 

[zad48231]

So what your saying is, it's ok to remove off Ely kit so you can sell base stuff screwing mid tier people, but its not ok for mid tier people to do the same thing to new players.

Again. Good for me not for thee crap again.

I grinded my socket items just like yall and now I can't remove them to reuse on higher gear, but yall can.

That's the problem.

And using market manipulation as an excuse to not do it on lower gear is asinine. Because they are still going to price fix, all while high levels suck up what little upgrades are already on the market leaving those under ELY gear with fk all.

This is trying to do trickle down economics but here's the thing. Those under ELY are the ones getting fucked.View attachment 752

I'm not sure what you mean by 'sell base stuff'

What exactly do you think people will be selling?

Elysian is the top kit and still will be top after this update. People who have put MC/SC/DC +10 sockets in their Ely kit will use this tool to remove the sockets so they can put the new +15 runes in instead. They ain't gonna be selling anything

The vast majority of people in elysian won't even be able to afford to do that, there's maybe about 10 people in the game max who will use this, and it'll only be to improve their own kit

This is going to have zero impact on the vast majority of players, except that both supply AND demand of crystals is being increased, which will probably push the prices of them up temporarily, but will fall back down in the long term once those elite few have got their fill

Every time there's an update or change to anything, there's always some massive forum post about something or other complaining how one particular group is getting screwed, before the update has even happened, and they almost always end up being wrong. Just wait and see for yourself rather than making assumptions and you'll probably find yourself surprised. If you still feel this way a month after the update then this post will have 100x more weight, but I suspect you won't

Relax a bit bud, just carry on as you have been, and don't worry so much about what others are doing

 

[deanplex]

I can see this from both sides of the coin ( which is unusual for me).

I can see that if the +15 crystals are going to be targeted at level 180+ items then us lower levelled players would have no need for them yet.
But at the same time I agree with @CSpaceCowboy in the fact that we have all grinded to achieve these runes and crystals which we may like to add to elysian items in the near future. It may be a case of still having this old kit still in stores not doing anything with it at the moment, with this removal tool being perfect for all levels.
One thing I would add is that any runes/crystals would bind to account upon removal so could only be used for personal use and not be able to flood the market and control the prices even further.

I think if they bind to account then it should solves any issues from both high and low level players.

Just my two cents......

 

[zad48231]

I can see this from both sides of the coin ( which is unusual for me).

I can see that if the +15 crystals are going to be targeted at level 180+ items then us lower levelled players would have no need for them yet.
But at the same time I agree with @CSpaceCowboy in the fact that we have all grinded to achieve these runes and crystals which we may like to add to elysian items in the near future. It may be a case of still having this old kit still in stores not doing anything with it at the moment, with this removal tool being perfect for all levels.
One thing I would add is that any runes/crystals would bind to account upon removal so could only be used for personal use and not be able to flood the market and control the prices even further.

I think if they bind to account then it should solves any issues from both high and low level players.

Just my two cents......

If you've spent time and/or gg collecting crystals and added them to kit that's suitable for your level, but now (or later on) want to use higher level kit, then you'll need to get new crystals and sell on your old kit for pennies. That's how trickle down works. It's expensive and depressing and time consuming, but it's how it's always been, and that isn't changing at all

Look at all the people in elysian kit right now, most of them were in crystal, then holy crystal, then celestial, then elysian, and have spent massively on crafting and socketing everything then selling it on cheap when they get higher stuff

If socket removal worked for all levels then all that high quality low level kit vanishes overnight. Imagine how much harder it would be for new players to progress if they had to make absolutely everything themselves and there was zero market to buy ready-made stuff along the way. That's the core reason why I've always argued against this tool existing, because I want lower levels to have a chance at having decent stuff to wear, and GM had always taken the same stance

What's different this time round is the new crystals. There's a handful of people with maxed out elysian stuff, all highly crafted, mythic, and filled with XL crystals, these are the most valuable items in the game right now. The problem GM had is those top items instantly lose most of their value once the XXL crystals are released, so he wanted to try to find a way to appease those who had spent massively on building those items. Now those people can collect the new XXL crystals, and put them into their existing elysian kit, instead of having to craft replacement elysian kit all over again. None of those people will be selling any crystals nor will they be moving existing XL crystals onto higher kit, because no higher kit exists

I hope that makes some sense

 

[deanplex]

I'm not sure what you mean by 'sell base stuff'

What exactly do you think people will be selling?

Elysian is the top kit and still will be top after this update. People who have put MC/SC/DC +10 sockets in their Ely kit will use this tool to remove the sockets so they can put the new +15 runes in instead. They ain't gonna be selling anything

The vast majority of people in elysian won't even be able to afford to do that, there's maybe about 10 people in the game max who will use this, and it'll only be to improve their own kit

This is going to have zero impact on the vast majority of players, except that both supply AND demand of crystals is being increased, which will probably push the prices of them up temporarily, but will fall back down in the long term once those elite few have got their fill

Every time there's an update or change to anything, there's always some massive forum post about something or other complaining how one particular group is getting screwed, before the update has even happened, and they almost always end up being wrong. Just wait and see for yourself rather than making assumptions and you'll probably find yourself surprised. If you still feel this way a month after the update then this post will have 100x more weight, but I suspect you won't

Relax a bit bud, just carry on as you have been, and don't worry so much about what others are doing

Ah yes mate. The way you've worded that does make sense, as long as there will be no higher unnamed kit sets than elysian. I imagine there will be other items lvl 195+ that will have the new runes/crystals going in to them. I was under the impression that there would be another kit set higher than elysian and that all the socket items from elysian kit could go straight in to this new unnamed kit. This is why I assumed it would be unfair on the little guy. But as it stands I totally understand the way you've just explained the need for the tool.

 

[Cableguy]

I like the review of if you use this tool it is bonded to the character and can’t be sold. That would work for all levels and not flood the market and everyone can reuse what they have with out going into debt again for new gear. We all grind for what we have so if we do remove them and sell gear with no runes on them to new players yes they will have to grind just like we did to get them that’s how the game is. WE ALL GRIND to get what we have. If this tool is for all like Zade said the market will go crazy till everyone resets the gear they are in and then calm down back to what it is. The only one who will profit it the owner of the server for selling GG for use all to buy this tool. So unless the owner has this server not to make money leave as is or change is and sit back count the cash coming in from selling this tool to everyone and not 10 players.