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Darkstyle12

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These awesome places are highly under used. The RTZ completely put anyone off rdd and the bdp queen room is also way OTT in terms of difficulty. I think even if it was released now, top lvl groups would still struggle. Perhaps as you introduce PB you could make rtz and queen rooms easier and also change the boss drops to include crystal temple/toa teir items and spells. Really open up the game abit

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Lower lvl guilds should be farming these places but they’re just way to hard even for lvl cap people and the caves aimed at 145
 
I think he should change it so you can move couple of floors without having to clear the whole map.

Red dragon place - you can freely move up to WT floor

Blue dragon place - you can freely move up to floor 4-5
 
Being 139, I'd love to be able to use more of RDD. I have not been as far as rtz though and from the things I hear I don't know if i want to organize a hunt that deep lol.
 
I sort of agree
I do think they are very very underused.
However I’m not sure if it needs to be made easier. I haven’t been to deep bdd enough. I have however gotten to 4f with just one other person and honestly it wasn’t too too bad to get there. Yes strategy was definitely involved.

I do look forward to going deeper in ice temple and also bdd
 
Personally I quite like them at the difficulty they are now. They are perfectly possible to complete and have been completed many times. High level groups can do them with relative ease but generally don't bother any more because the rewards don't justify the time, you'll typically end up with 5mil gold and a couple of mid level red items for 2 hours+ work, for most level 160+ that isn't worthwhile as you can get better rewards spending 1 hour in most normal hunting places. These areas are designed for large groups of mid level players (130-155) and are definitely a big challenge for players in that range, just as it should be. Maybe some subtle change like increasing the drop rate of level 140-150 items in these maps (especially in the deeper floors) would encourage more mid level players to arrange group hunts there instead of just doing boss tours.

As for opening up the floors after 1F to single players, I don't see any advantage to that, all it'll do is mean high level players can dive in and add more bosses to their tour list, meaning even less for the mid levels and widen the gap further. Best to leave something for the mid level players to enjoy. If mid level players are wanting to go deeper then all they need to do is group with someone, it's meant to be group caves anyway!
 
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zad48231 said:
Personally I quite like them at the difficulty they are now. They are perfectly possible to complete and have been completed many times. High level groups can do them with relative ease but generally don't bother any more because the rewards don't justify the time, you'll typically end up with 5mil gold and a couple of mid level red items for 2 hours+ work, for most level 160+ that isn't worthwhile as you can get better rewards spending 1 hour in most normal hunting places. These areas are designed for large groups of mid level players (130-155) and are definitely a big challenge for players in that range, just as it should be. Maybe some subtle change like increasing the drop rate of level 140-150 items in these maps (especially in the deeper floors) would encourage more mid level players to arrange group hunts there instead of just doing boss tours.

As for opening up the floors after 1F to single players, I don't see any advantage to that, all it'll do is mean high level players can dive in and add more bosses to their tour list, meaning even less for the mid levels and widen the gap further. Best to leave something for the mid level players to enjoy. If mid level players are wanting to go deeper then all they need to do is group with someone, it's meant to be group caves anyway!
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Have you spent 2 hours clearing to ice queen to be wiped out by a clusterfuck in queen room. Only way to really do it is have a massive massive group. There’s no tactic to it. Just a clusterfuck. Same as them ridiculous rtz. They are one if the worst things I’ve ever seen on any Mir server. You try to do it tactfully and end up pulling 3rtz. Sorry but this is complete bollocks and I’ll never go rdd again and use this cave purely because of them rtz. I’d clear the place daily if it wasn’t for them. I will not even bother thinking about it. You can defend it all you want but I’m 100% right they need to be removed completely and put somthing else In there. They make me rage I side how ridiculously overpowered they are. I solo troll kill. I 2player kill Loki. These lvl 140 piece of Shit rtz are in a completely different category to these TOP TEIR LEVEL 165 bosses.

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Same as the queen room. It’s already hard enough to get there and work out the maze route. Such a waste. I’m telling ya game died because these places was too hard
 
Darkstyle12 said:
Have you spent 2 hours clearing to ice queen to be wiped out by a clusterfuck in queen room. Only way to really do it is have a massive massive group. There’s no tactic to it. Just a clusterfuck. Same as them ridiculous rtz. They are one if the worst things I’ve ever seen on any Mir server. You try to do it tactfully and end up pulling 3rtz. Sorry but this is complete bollocks and I’ll never go rdd again and use this cave purely because of them rtz. I’d clear the place daily if it wasn’t for them. I will not even bother thinking about it. You can defend it all you want but I’m 100% right they need to be removed completely and put somthing else In there. They make me rage I side how ridiculously overpowered they are. I solo troll kill. I 2player kill Loki. These lvl 140 piece of Shit rtz are in a completely different category to these TOP TEIR LEVEL 165 bosses.

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Same as the queen room. It’s already hard enough to get there and work out the maze route. Such a waste. I’m telling ya game died because these places was too hard
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I've been through queen room successfully twice out of 3 attempts, the 3rd go we did get wiped but only because some tao pets were on the wrong mode and went off on a mission of their own and ruined it for us, but that kind of mistake can happen. Tactics are possible and it can be done. Same with RTZ, with 5 moths tamed in lower floors I can take an RTZ 1v1, so 2 decent wiz could handle 2 RTZ that way, while 2 warriors and 1 tao take the 3rd one. I know they are "level 140" caves, but they are also "group" caves, designed to be done in large groups. A big group of 140's can have a successful hunt as far as these floors, then yes they will probably get wiped out. That allows higher levels to have somewhere to go that's not full of noobs.

I think the fact that they are harder than top tier bosses mean the bosses need to be harder, not that these need to be easier. None of these things should be possible with only 1 or 2 players regardless of class/level/kit
 
zad48231 said:
I've been through queen room successfully twice out of 3 attempts, the 3rd go we did get wiped but only because some tao pets were on the wrong mode and went off on a mission of their own and ruined it for us, but that kind of mistake can happen. Tactics are possible and it can be done. Same with RTZ, with 5 moths tamed in lower floors I can take an RTZ 1v1, so 2 decent wiz could handle 2 RTZ that way, while 2 warriors and 1 tao take the 3rd one. I know they are "level 140" caves, but they are also "group" caves, designed to be done in large groups. A big group of 140's can have a successful hunt as far as these floors, then yes they will probably get wiped out. That allows higher levels to have somewhere to go that's not full of noobs.

I think the fact that they are harder than top tier bosses mean the bosses need to be harder, not that these need to be easier. None of these things should be possible with only 1 or 2 players regardless of class/level/kit
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The only way I can describe these caves is it’s like having a pornstar girlfriend that don’t give head!
 
Sorry DS I don't agree, iv cleared RDP several times as a lvl 150ish wizz in a group of 4, highest lvl being 155, hardest part is RTZ yes but with a group who knows what to do it is not that much of a challenge. That said I have also been in many high level groups that havnt a clue and never get past rtz. and I feel BDP is a lot easier but again you just need 2 or 3 people who know what their doing....

BDP I disagree with even more, like zade mentioned its for mid levels now and our guild (Dragons), which are mostly mid level have been trying to crack it for weeks and we have been having a blast in the process and for the record other than me our group of 6 or 7 consists of lvls 130 to 157 and we are so so close to clearing it.

I disagree that they are way too hard for lvl cap as I am nearly sure I could clear each cave with a decent tao and I am absolutely certain I could clear each cave in a group of 3 as I have done so before lol (and way before we were lvl cap)
 
Aro said:
Sorry DS I don't agree, iv cleared RDP several times as a lvl 150ish wizz in a group of 4, highest lvl being 155, hardest part is RTZ yes but with a group who knows what to do it is not that much of a challenge. That said I have also been in many high level groups that havnt a clue and never get past rtz. and I feel BDP is a lot easier but again you just need 2 or 3 people who know what their doing....

BDP I disagree with even more, like zade mentioned its for mid levels now and our guild (Dragons), which are mostly mid level have been trying to crack it for weeks and we have been having a blast in the process and for the record other than me our group of 6 or 7 consists of lvls 130 to 157 and we are so so close to clearing it.

I disagree that they are way too hard for lvl cap as I am nearly sure I could clear each cave with a decent tao and I am absolutely certain I could clear each cave in a group of 3 as I have done so before lol (and way before we were lvl cap)
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Bang on.
 
Aro said:
Sorry DS I don't agree, iv cleared RDP several times as a lvl 150ish wizz in a group of 4, highest lvl being 155, hardest part is RTZ yes but with a group who knows what to do it is not that much of a challenge. That said I have also been in many high level groups that havnt a clue and never get past rtz. and I feel BDP is a lot easier but again you just need 2 or 3 people who know what their doing....

BDP I disagree with even more, like zade mentioned its for mid levels now and our guild (Dragons), which are mostly mid level have been trying to crack it for weeks and we have been having a blast in the process and for the record other than me our group of 6 or 7 consists of lvls 130 to 157 and we are so so close to clearing it.

I disagree that they are way too hard for lvl cap as I am nearly sure I could clear each cave with a decent tao and I am absolutely certain I could clear each cave in a group of 3 as I have done so before lol (and way before we were lvl cap)
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Have you ever seen the blue dragon???? I doubt it.
These bosses should be killed daily. There’s a massive lack of gold ingame because these gold dropping bosses don’t get killed. It’s fine I’m only trying to make the game better. U carry on solo hunting In mount or crystal temple.

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Ya know how hard the bdp maze is? Two subs in every room finishing with a king. Then a queen with 3 rock solid subs and then kr. Your referring to bdp as floor 1/2/3/4 as a lvling cave for noobs. That’s basically all it’s used for. Check logs I bet blue dragon ain’t been killed for 6 months and I bet red dragons been over a month. But you know best

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Way better to leave as they are and let them die once in a blue moon eh! I mean the games so exciting at the moment right it’s got so many active people layers right? There’s more than enough bosses for everyone right?

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Just LOL another person who thinks it’s fine but has never even got to kr
 
You're a great guy, and I have a lot of respect for you, but on most of these points I do find myself disagreeing

Darkstyle12 said:
These bosses should be killed daily.
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Why? If every boss is killed immediately every time it spawns, surely that's a sign the game is too easy. Everyone screams out for more challenging things but when something is made that's too challenging to be camped and killed by solo players he gets asked to make it easier. No idea how Andy's brain hasn't turned inside out with these back and forth requests.

Darkstyle12 said:
There’s a massive lack of gold ingame because these gold dropping bosses don’t get killed.
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I think he's done a great job reforming gold drops. There used to be way too much gold, now there's a little bit less gold circulating than there was but it's still within reason. The way it works now is much better, gold find is increased really nicely, it benefits people who spend time levelling rather than people who do bosses.

Darkstyle12 said:
Ya know how hard the bdp maze is? Two subs in every room finishing with a king. Then a queen with 3 rock solid subs and then kr. Your referring to bdp as floor 1/2/3/4 as a lvling cave for noobs. That’s basically all it’s used for.
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Yes, it's a mid level cave. It's pretty easy mid levels to level there solo or in small groups, and it's possible for a large group of mid levels or a small group of high levels to complete, but nobody bothers because it's not possible to just jump in and finish in 5 minutes which seems to be what most people want these days. For people who want to just do quick easy bosses there's already plenty, these caves are not that, they are for people who want to get something different out of the game.

Darkstyle12 said:
Way better to leave as they are and let them die once in a blue moon eh! I mean the games so exciting at the moment right it’s got so many active people layers right? There’s more than enough bosses for everyone right?
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The number of bosses is only inadequate because a handful of people choose to only do bosses all the time, so the majority have to find something else to do. There's a lot of other things to do if your focus is a little bit different.

Darkstyle12 said:
Just LOL another person who thinks it’s fine but has never even got to kr
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I've been to KR and killed it and he was only agreeing with me

Long story short, the game has lots of different aspects, if you focus on one single aspect you will get bored quickly. You've chosen to focus on getting the best items, which involves bouncing from boss to boss. That's absolutely fine, but you're clearly bored and want more. There is a lot more out there to do but you've skipped it all. I've probably spent a lot more time in this game as you have, I don't have quite the same standard of kit, and there's a lot of people who have spent a lot longer than I have, yet we all still play. Every day I log in I've got interesting things to do and enjoy that sometimes doesn't involve any bosses at all. It's all about diversifying your gameplay, spread yourself out a little bit, rather than rushing for the endgame.
 
zad48231 said:
You're a great guy, and I have a lot of respect for you, but on most of these points I do find myself disagreeing

Why? If every boss is killed immediately every time it spawns, surely that's a sign the game is too easy. Everyone screams out for more challenging things but when something is made that's too challenging to be camped and killed by solo players he gets asked to make it easier. No idea how Andy's brain hasn't turned inside out with these back and forth requests.

I think he's done a great job reforming gold drops. There used to be way too much gold, now there's a little bit less gold circulating than there was but it's still within reason. The way it works now is much better, gold find is increased really nicely, it benefits people who spend time levelling rather than people who do bosses.

Yes, it's a mid level cave. It's pretty easy mid levels to level there solo or in small groups, and it's possible for a large group of mid levels or a small group of high levels to complete, but nobody bothers because it's not possible to just jump in and finish in 5 minutes which seems to be what most people want these days. For people who want to just do quick easy bosses there's already plenty, these caves are not that, they are for people who want to get something different out of the game.

The number of bosses is only inadequate because a handful of people choose to only do bosses all the time, so the majority have to find something else to do. There's a lot of other things to do if your focus is a little bit different.

I've been to KR and killed it and he was only agreeing with me

Long story short, the game has lots of different aspects, if you focus on one single aspect you will get bored quickly. You've chosen to focus on getting the best items, which involves bouncing from boss to boss. That's absolutely fine, but you're clearly bored and want more. There is a lot more out there to do but you've skipped it all. I've probably spent a lot more time in this game as you have, I don't have quite the same standard of kit, and there's a lot of people who have spent a lot longer than I have, yet we all still play. Every day I log in I've got interesting things to do and enjoy that sometimes doesn't involve any bosses at all. It's all about diversifying your gameplay, spread yourself out a little bit, rather than rushing for the endgame.
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It’s not even really for me. It’s for lower lvl groups to go and complete it. I’d do it now and then for fun aswell. I don’t really bounce between them low bosses either I tend to only kill troll king which takes about an hour and crystal subs and the mountain. I spend a lot of time in mountain kr just clearing over and over because I like the drops there and the sheer amount t of gps I can make.
Even with rtz tamed down and the princesses toned down the hunts are still gonna take the same amount of time and effort. It’s just them two pain in the ass rooms that most of the time ruin hunts and ruin people’s morale about going back. Gold has gone from 30gg a bar to 41gg+. That’s a 25% increase since red dragon got removed.
You have to understand this ain’t a post for myself. Let’s be totally honest I’m gonna be busy as fk down at evil Mir and Omalord and the pb subs. Let’s not forget the increased spawns in crystal. Rdd and bdp are amazing places for newcomers and I think it would be better for the entire community if the princess and rtz was toned down. Low guild could kill the bosses there and make gold why the high lvls are fighting over evilmir
 
Darkstyle12 said:
Have you ever seen the blue dragon???? I doubt it.
These bosses should be killed daily. There’s a massive lack of gold ingame because these gold dropping bosses don’t get killed. It’s fine I’m only trying to make the game better. U carry on solo hunting In mount or crystal temple.

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Ya know how hard the bdp maze is? Two subs in every room finishing with a king. Then a queen with 3 rock solid subs and then kr. Your referring to bdp as floor 1/2/3/4 as a lvling cave for noobs. That’s basically all it’s used for. Check logs I bet blue dragon ain’t been killed for 6 months and I bet red dragons been over a month. But you know best

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Way better to leave as they are and let them die once in a blue moon eh! I mean the games so exciting at the moment right it’s got so many active people layers right? There’s more than enough bosses for everyone right?

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Just LOL another person who thinks it’s fine but has never even got to kr
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Mate the reason I replied was because iv killed it several times, each time in a group of 5 or less, and I have the first hand experience of how easy it is (when done right), my first successful run was when I was 152 and I wasn't the lowest level in group, as zade said the problem with it is getting a group that has the time to do it.... I solo hunt in mount to make pots often finding you there also I assume doing the same & I solo hunt in CT for exp I do not understand what is wrong with that?

BDP maze is difficult but not impossible, FYI my first successful BDP run was months and months before notos, I don't want to give anything away but any wizz can solo maze up until last room, Queen room while a challenge can be done with relative ease with a small group that knows what they are doing. However I agree and know for fact that BDD is not getting killed as every blue we spawn during our attempts are always waiting on us the next time around.

My opinion is Yes it is best left as it is for now as like you say game is stale atm and our attempts within dragons guild at cracking BDP without outside help is really all that's keeping us interested.

Last Point. Wrong, and whats with all the personal jibes? I never shown you anything but respect. I am only giving my point of view which I believe to be valid as like you have said this cave is for lower levels and I am currently probably the only person on game taking time out to take groups of 140 - 150s threw it?
 
Aro said:
Mate the reason I replied was because iv killed it several times, each time in a group of 5 or less, and I have the first hand experience of how easy it is (when done right), my first successful run was when I was 152 and I wasn't the lowest level in group, as zade said the problem with it is getting a group that has the time to do it.... I solo hunt in mount to make pots often finding you there also I assume doing the same & I solo hunt in CT for exp I do not understand what is wrong with that?

BDP maze is difficult but not impossible, FYI my first successful BDP run was months and months before notos, I don't want to give anything away but any wizz can solo maze up until last room, Queen room while a challenge can be done with relative ease with a small group that knows what they are doing. However I agree and know for fact that BDD is not getting killed as every blue we spawn during our attempts are always waiting on us the next time around.

My opinion is Yes it is best left as it is for now as like you say game is stale atm and our attempts within dragons guild at cracking BDP without outside help is really all that's keeping us interested.

Last Point. Wrong, and whats with all the personal jibes? I never shown you anything but respect. I am only giving my point of view which I believe to be valid as like you have said this cave is for lower levels and I am currently probably the only person on game taking time out to take groups of 140 - 150s threw it?
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I’m sorry I didn’t mean to get personal. No pun intended.
 
Imo the caves are fine , maybe reduce amount of rtz in the room to 6 instead of 8 ? same with princesses in ice queen room . As for nerfing there dc , i dont think this is a gd idea. Its still gotta be dam hard and i think if someone fucks up the hunt and lures a few rtz/princesses then let them be punished by having the group get wiped.
 
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